No Deposit and Redeposit

[clifjkuro52]

I would love to see the casino's redeposit monies won in bonus. It seems more times than not that their games u play aren't the same plays after you win and deposit money. Action in many casino
playing slots with bonus money is never achieved with real money. If we win lets say cash out is between $20 to $50 then instead of the hassle for both parties of sending a check, why not re-insert the monies into a real account? This way if machines play just like they have been then you will know its a decent casino. I have found when playing with bonuses and playing for real are two different animals!
I also think it sucks when a casino gives you a bonus and they wisk away your real money first. Which means they have control over your money and i truthfully don't think they are fair. However they let you play with their bonus money for a bit however when u get close to cashing out they wisk that away too. So you will never beable to withdraw it.
Redeposit would keep it all fair and honest!
I had bonus money in lake palace and also Grand Bay. Both casino's took my money immediate and with bonus i never saw any decent hit!
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Kurowski [mailto:ckurowski@mn.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:03 PM
To: admin@casinograndbay.com
Subject: tgbr01188586


Carolines hubby here
i recieved $30 bonus this morning and played. I won it up to $39 and now have about $15
You tell me your casino is computer generated i appreciate you turning on your compter then
There was one game that had 13 misses before i won 30 cents in that same game i had the free spin bonus once and the treasure chest a few times however the misses made up for the wins
almost every bonus game i go to there isnt even a bonus coming up to help keep playing
I am afraid to bet 5 cents a line cause the pays are so terrible, may i ask is your casino payout percentges 97% your take?
Wife and i belong to ezboard, it is a discussion board about casinos and bonuses and payouts, millions of people view this board daily
I assure you after i lose this $15 i am going to tell the truth how bad your casino is and how terrible the games are!
I am out to have fun, play win and play more, i don't bloody effing care if i win zillions, i just wanna play
I understand your promo ideas and i will let the public know about it as well. 150% bonus, place in money and you wisk the original cash away with no wins, then u allow for bonus which you need to play that quite a few times before cashing out, however you dont allow people to win so there are no cash outs!
Good scam it is border line of legal or is it? Of all the sister casinos i find bella vegas the best you can learn from that casino, they don't bloody cheat the public out of their monies, play time is fair wins are fair and losses are fair.
I dont think there is anything in this world that could convince me that your casino is fair and as far as i am concerned your casino is taboo ill make sure of that at ezboard!!!!!!!!!!!!
clif

[tcawin]

fair ? CASINOS WANT OOUR MONEY - they cant be fair, or they cant continue their job

but me too i am not happy with the uses of casinos

hi I am new


i think that t never a player is a winner :

with the free bonus
with our money

and i am a player !!



icasinos make a business
all offer free or with deposit are not real offers

because even we can win , there are too much rules to protect their "risk"


if we study a little how many deposit we made and the amount total spent and the amount of our wiining : gthe comparaison shonwn we, plaeyrs are always loosers




but we like play
and casinos know that!

a thing to not forget : they make money ; threy dont distibute money

faircasino thati disoreved reaally todza make something that is the mot intellient thing i see ,

and in dont know well the site , iregisyer me severals weeks agaos ; with an idea, as player , and i for my real first log i discorer onething that i wanted see : thr money sprnd by player : fair casino reinvest in he forum for olayers


that means that he made a business too but it take care of the players

they make a benevfice welcome players and they redistribute a part it at players with the forump activity (if i am not wrong): that for me is the new generation of smart site and casino and portails !


casinos give fun and we pay but never we can say that we will be winner : and it is normal-

if one of us player , we wa,nt run acasino, what will be our obejective : maake money and keep it, !!

so the best thing to make is to continue to play if only wwe can - to not accept all rulses ad deny free offer i and promo that are hiddden whay to not win

and toplay only with ourown money : if thet have not a waggering ,

we must keep the control ofour money and not to be attract by all wondefull free money or mathch bonses, that transforrm nour deposit in a no chance to win

and to finish ithink that players cans also make like casino :


we need money too, to play , but also for our private l life

players are the value that help casino to make money

but not only for casino


so we must also take control or our money but also the way to make money with our own vakue and dont let other make money on us


it is my first post
perhaps difficult to understand


but with that you know my thought ; player have to stop only to spent, and a player with money is more interesting for a casino

so here a call for casino ; "before to take our money : help us too to earn it"

and they are other ways to use to make benefice

if you take always money at players, a day there will be not no more players


but i love play, and win, and would like that that every body stay ! casinos and players : just somes changes to make : and player shave also to make efforts for that, not only casino : we cant always waitfor free money , and hope jackpot eeven with our deposit, we are too much to play ,




wll goood st patrik day goood luck t all

[FairCasinos]

Hi tcawin,

I am not sure if you are registered here but you don't need to think you will lose when you play a casino. You have almost the same chance of winning as of losing overall if you play the popular games. It all depends on how lucky you are. The casino is only sure of making money through the volume of players because it knows that after a certain mathematically significant level of betting, it will be sure of being ahead. This is due to the inbuilt house edge it has on the games. The game rules ensure a theoretical average payout of less than 100% and the casinos know that after a high number of bets/wagers, the payout will converge close enough to the theoretical average to ensure the casino profit.

For example, if players' skill level on Blackjack results in an average theoretical payout of 99% of all bets on the blackjack game (with perfect play it would be around 99.5%), then it will take about 100,000 hands to ensure that the payout is under 100% and ensure the casino is ahead. This is due to the variability around the average payout known as luck which converges to the average after a certain volume of bets. It is possible that the payout is 1% above the average until then. You may think that if the average theoretical payout for a game is in the low 90's it means it takes far less plays to ensure the casino is ahead but this is not generally true because these games with a high house edge also generally have more volatility due to high payoffs (instead of evens payouts on wins in BJ, slots could pay hundreds of times the wager) so instead of the payout being + or - 1% of the theoretical average, the games could be 10% above or 10% below the average after hundreds of thousands of plays. Until that point is reached, it is possible that the players are ahead overall. It's only after such a large volume of play that the casino is sure to make money as the actual payout converges to the theoretical payout built into the games.

Another way to see this is by tossing coins. If you toss a coin 100 times, you know that the theoretical average is 50 heads and 50 tails. It is entirely possible after 100 tosses that there are only 40 heads (40%). So the range above or below average can easily be (+/-) 10% after 100 tosses but this possible range converges closer and closer to the average (50%) the more tosses there are. After 10000 tosses, it is virtually impossible for there to be less than 45% heads.

A casino doesn't care about how much individual players win if they play at an average bet level because the casino knows that after a certain volume of games from all players combined, the casino will be ahead. The only thing they need to worry about is that their bet levels are not set too high so that a high roller can't win more than they can afford to pay from their reserve by betting big and getting lucky.

You should be realistic though because if you are aiming to win 100 times your starting bankroll, you will only make it less than 1% of the time even if the casino games had no house edge (true odds of 100% payback). Most gamblers lose because they carry on playing against the odds. It's not usually much to do with the average percentage the casino takes on each game because the percentage is usually so small or the game has such volatility that it takes thousands of plays to be significant in the equation for determining the probability of winning or losing. Usually people lose because they are greedy and don't understand that even if the games paid 100% instead of in the 90's, each time you double your money, you will only have 50% chance of doing so and the other 50% of the time you will lose your bankroll trying to get there. The casino game's average payout percentage only really comes into the equation after you have played thousands of wagers and it is mostly down to the natural variability known as luck whether you win or lose until then.

If you've ever turned $100 into $1000 it is around 9% chance of doing so because over 9 times out of 10 you will lose before getting there. This is assuming 100% payout for the game. The fact that the game may have a payout of 97% is not significant and doesn't change your odds too much unless you have bet tens of thousands of dollars trying to get to your target. The main trick is to bet at a high enough level so that you don't bet more than you have to and don't churn your bets too much. To churn is to wager money from your previous winning bets as would happen a lot if you were betting $1 each time on blackjack and were trying to reach $100 profit. You should minimize the amount of churn by betting big to reach your target.

If rather than reach a target, you want to wager/bet for a certain amount of time, you need to ensure you have enough bankroll in relation to your betting level so that you are unlikely to lose it all during the session. You will then have a very good chance of ending ahead. If your bankroll is so small that you have a high chance of busting out, this chance of wiping out is added to the equation and makes losing far more likely.

Of course, ensuring you don't run out of money during the session will mean that you will wager more each session on average so you will lose more in the long run but in the medium term (thousands of plays) this is not a significant consideration.

[joann23]

I have won a few times And I lose more

[upnupu]

the playthrus on bonus moneys are just stupid
theres no way 2 get there usully an thats whay they make em that way for

What I cant beleive is that they put playthru reqirements on money that someone DEPOSITED out of there own pockets! not just on free bonusres

thats just the way i think !!!!!!!

[boris303]

Also try thinking about it this way too.

The casino pays out 97% lets say, so you deposit a $100, so your sort of assuming that if you just click the mouse like a crazy fool, not matter what happens you should on average wind up with $97 of your $100 you started with.

However, when you consider the amount your betting, i.e the amount of turn over, it amounts to a hell of a lot more than $100, and its that figure that you will receive 97% from, if you can get your heads round it, it makes sense

Basicly 97% sounds good, but in reality its not as good as it sounds