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Pirateofc21
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 Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:19 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| Yes myb initial deposit was 1k. I started with table limits of 10 and 1000 and they were upped several times over the next few session to finally stop at $5000 min and $10,000 max. I played mostly $10,000 hands. Nothing made me confident I would win. I just played the game. Remember that I was cut off. I didn't stop playing, the game was removed. |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:21 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| chessa wrote: | Ok< I'm a dummy could you explain "robot"
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A robot is just a program that plays the game for you. It basically does all the clicking for you. I've not seen any but most programmers could write a program to do it but it needs to recognise the cards perfectly. Microgaming built the feature in with the new software (called autoplay). |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:24 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| Pirateofc21 wrote: | | Yes myb initial deposit was 1k. I started with table limits of 10 and 1000 and they were upped several times over the next few session to finally stop at $5000 min and $10,000 max. I played mostly $10,000 hands. Nothing made me confident I would win. I just played the game. Remember that I was cut off. I didn't stop playing, the game was removed. |
You seem to be evading the question about how much you've invested in total. How did you get the $70k balance at Delano's? What was the deposit there? |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:36 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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I told Wizard of Odds about this and asked whether he'd been in contact with the lucky pirate and he replied with:
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I have no comment at this time.
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I assumed they would have been in contact so maybe Wiz knows something we don't. |
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Pirateofc21
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:42 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| FairCasinos wrote: | | Pirateofc21 wrote: | | Yes myb initial deposit was 1k. I started with table limits of 10 and 1000 and they were upped several times over the next few session to finally stop at $5000 min and $10,000 max. I played mostly $10,000 hands. Nothing made me confident I would win. I just played the game. Remember that I was cut off. I didn't stop playing, the game was removed. |
You seem to be evading the question about how much you've invested in total. How did you get the $70k balance at Delano's? What was the deposit there? |
$400. in total all deposits at all RTG casino's about 100k over the course of 2 years maybe. |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:50 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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It's getting more and more unlikely now that you won without exploiting a weakness in the software.
$1k to $million+ has a likelihood of less than 1 in 1000 so you were very lucky but to also go from $400 to 70k (less than 1% chance) is pushing it a bit. |
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Pirateofc21
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:56 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| FairCasinos wrote: | It's getting more and more unlikely now that you won without exploiting a weakness in the software.
$1k to $million+ has a likelihood of less than 1 in 1000 so you were very lucky but to also go from $400 to 70k (less than 1% chance) is pushing it a bit. |
There was a 2000 max on that table and the 70,00 is what is left. My total was about 96,000
Also RTG examined the software and concluded it was fine and the player got lucky. |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:07 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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Did that guy really say, "There are two things I don't break to nobody: my balls and my word?"
LMAO!
That's a classic line from Al Pacino in Scarface. |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:12 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| FairCasinos wrote: | It's getting more and more unlikely now that you won without exploiting a weakness in the software.
$1k to $million+ has a likelihood of less than 1 in 1000 so you were very lucky but to also go from $400 to 70k (less than 1% chance) is pushing it a bit. |
I dont know the odds, but $1000 to $1,000,000 is doable with $10,000 max hand limits. That's only a 100 unit profit once you get up to the limit. I have gone from $100 or less to between $2000 and $3000 about a half dozen times. Almost made it up to the max hand. If I did it would have been all downhill from there... |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:35 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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Here is the Tony Scarface quote:
All I got's my two balls and my word - and I don't break 'em or nobody.
Here is the RTG Scamface quote:
There are two tings I don't break for nobody - my balls and my word.
I do believe he stole the line. He even simulated the accent. What a POS? How can you steal a classic line like that? It's one ting to stiff someone out of 1.3 million dollars, but pirating a classic Scarface line is just too much. |
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Pirateofc21
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:39 am - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| Dell Dude wrote: | | FairCasinos wrote: | It's getting more and more unlikely now that you won without exploiting a weakness in the software.
$1k to $million+ has a likelihood of less than 1 in 1000 so you were very lucky but to also go from $400 to 70k (less than 1% chance) is pushing it a bit. |
I dont know the odds, but $1000 to $1,000,000 is doable with $10,000 max hand limits. That's only a 100 unit profit once you get up to the limit. I have gone from $100 or less to between $2000 and $3000 about a half dozen times. Almost made it up to the max hand. If I did it would have been all downhill from there... |
My last go at the table saw me go thru about $300,000 down to a balance of about 75,000 before my last upward swing. This was a gradual ascent over several sessions with one final blowout. I got lucky. Real lucky. That's really all there is to it. |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:48 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| Pirateofc21 wrote: | | My last go at the table saw me go thru about $300,000 down to a balance of about 75,000 before my last upward swing. This was a gradual ascent over several sessions with one final blowout. I got lucky. Real lucky. That's really all there is to it. |
You may not have "cheated" but I think you somehow found a flaw or a way to generate a player edge. I think this because you only played RTG casinos and only Carribbean BJ (which you will have to explain the rules to me).
Even if true, I still think you are entitled to get paid but they are entitled to get rid of or "fix" the game and/or block you from playing again.
For that kind of money, I don't see why you played at ALL questionable and ALL similar casinos in that they were ALL RTG and ALL had the same game which is not a common one. My casinos don't have Carribbean 21 for instance.
Hopefully, the whole truth comes out here... |
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Pirateofc21
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:59 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| Dell Dude wrote: | | Pirateofc21 wrote: | | My last go at the table saw me go thru about $300,000 down to a balance of about 75,000 before my last upward swing. This was a gradual ascent over several sessions with one final blowout. I got lucky. Real lucky. That's really all there is to it. |
You may not have "cheated" but I think you somehow found a flaw or a way to generate a player edge. I think this because you only played RTG casinos and only Carribbean BJ (which you will have to explain the rules to me).
Even if true, I still think you are entitled to get paid but they are entitled to get rid of or "fix" the game and/or block you from playing again.
For that kind of money, I don't see why you played at ALL questionable and ALL similar casinos in that they were ALL RTG and ALL had the same game which is not a common one. My casinos don't have Carribbean 21 for instance.
Hopefully, the whole truth comes out here... |
The vendor already checked the software. It came out fine. As for only playing RTG casinos this is not true. I have accounts with a few of the major software providers. I happen to favor RTG's Caribbean 21, yes, but it's not the only game I play. My favor is also not due to my finding some secret or edge. I just like the action of the game and as others have said it's a volitale game. If you are lucky enough to catch a run you can build your balance quickly. This is no secret. It also can go just as fast as it came. Again no secret. I personally hope they bring the game back but this is not up to me. Time will tell. |
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catrescue911
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:50 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| I can't say for everyone, but I know I have played WAY beyond reason after a winning streak, so who knows what any of us would have done in the same situation. And I don't find it neccessarily unusual to play the same game at another RTG casino. I always play JokerPoker at certain casinos, and PowerPokerJ's or better at others..That's what I ususally win with, so why wouldn't I? And commenting on a post a litle further back about playing sor those stakes at any RTG...not everyone is as on-line casino savvy as others, I know I played at a few when I was starting out that I wouldn't visit now. There are alot of players who don't visit the various forums, and are not aware of some of the reputations of some casinos. Anyway, there are a few RTG's I play at monthly, and have not had any problems, and received fast pay-outs (same day) and great cs. |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:47 am - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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This is a quote from the casino guy in the second recording: | Quote: | | "I think you're gonna have to think about this and rethink your priorities and see where you wanna be. I'm not talking about bringing law enforcement into the picture. That's always a possibility but I'm not gonna go down that road. What I'm talking about. I dont wanna meet in another point on the road and then you'll find out what we do here and let me just tell you then, you (sic) will be no turning back. You won't be able to get back to the point where we are right now. Right now we are standing here like friends." |
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markey111
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:57 am - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| yeah robot?????? |
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Pirateofc21
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:59 am - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| FairCasinos wrote: | This is a quote from the casino guy in the second recording: | Quote: | | "I think you're gonna have to think about this and rethink your priorities and see where you wanna be. I'm not talking about bringing law enforcement into the picture. That's always a possibility but I'm not gonna go down that road. What I'm talking about. I dont wanna meet in another point on the road and then you'll find out what we do here and let me just tell you then, you (sic) will be no turning back. You won't be able to get back to the point where we are right now. Right now we are standing here like friends." |
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What do you think he meant by this? |
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markey111
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:16 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| I think you should get to court over this matter dont talk to them anymore m8. they plainly jusy dont want to pay you. if these casinos are totally random as they tell you then how can you cheat? the only way to cheat is if they have a program in use to control your winnings?and is that legal?? |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:37 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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Now Hamptons Casino have released their own phone recording. It's apparently a 6 minute excerpt from a 30 minute conversation. It would have been nice if they'd included the whole thing.
http://www.hamptoncasino.com/conversation.mp3
Ron Lewin is the Hamptons casino manager in the conversations.
Pirate claims he was playing along with Ron and didn't actually use a robot.
Also listen to the recordings on the first part of this thread where he denies using a robot. |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:42 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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By the way, if a robot was programmed that helped Pirate win, then it means the RTG casino software was insecure and unsafe for casinos to use. A robot wouldn't normally give a player any further advantage.
The game being played didn't have a player advantage so it shouldn't matter whether a robot was used. It isn't a good reason to void payment. |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:33 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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| There is another possibility to consider here. Maybe this casino does not have the funds to pay out. I don't know if so-called RTG casinos are like a fast-food franchise where there is a one big corporation that controls all of the casinos. If not, if its just the Hamptons that is responsible for their own financial mess, they simply may not have the money. This Pirate guy may have indeed broken the bank. If so, if I were him I'd just try to settle for as high an amount as I could and move on. |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:45 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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Before they accused the player of using a robot, the casino tried imposing a minimum play through of $25 Million each month (obviously hoping the player would lose the money back)! This was in order to keep the regular payments of $4k weekly flowing to the player. They had to back down on this as it wasn't in the terms and conditions of the site (the $4k a week payout maximum was there though).
The player still hasn't received the play logs. The casino was also trying to charge the player for them! |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:29 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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New thread at Casinomeister started by someone at RTG. He seems to make a mockery of Hampton Casino's claims. There doesn't seem to be any indication of robot play in the investigation they carried out.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3614 |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:28 am - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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So by the silence I take it this guy hasn't gotten paid. At first I thought this Scamface guy was making up the story about the bot, but the guy admitted it on the phone. You never admit to something you didn't do unless you did or you're stupid. This guy would roll over within two minutes of a police interrogation. 
As for the bot, maybe it analyzed the hands and found a card a non-random pattern even the casino couldn't find. Any kind of non-randomness could be tunred in the player's favor if they knew exactly what it was.
I have no idea. I just know enough to only play at quality casino outs: 1on1, Sands, Omni, WillHill. If I won 1.2 million at any of these places, not only would they pay me with haste but they'd congratulate me while doing it. |
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GAP
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:40 pm - Re: RTG Caribbean 21 story |
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The only phone conversation I've heard so far are the two posted here, and that player did not say he used a bot.
All I heard from the waves here is an irrate Hampton employee, unwilling to listen, and trying to manipulate the conversation by ranting and working at trying to get the player to admit he cheated.
I need to hear the conversation from the other end now. |
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