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| Would you prefer to play at a casino that guarantees 100% random and fair games by using the system described? |
| Yes |
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94% |
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| No (please comment on reasons) |
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5% |
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| Total Votes : 39 |
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fairgambler
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 Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: 100% Honest casino, does it mean revolution? |
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You know... seemd like everithing really changes...
I have spent much time dealing with online casinos. And till this moment casinos could not provide a 100% honesty guarantee except results of some "independent" audits or having a good reputation on gamblers forums. But i believe you understand that the same can not be the 100% guarantee.
Their Honesty Guarantee scheme is based on MD5. It is like they give an encrypted results of the game and after the run they give a key to unlock the check sum and check their honesty. You know, that thing came out to be very interesting, cause it means a revolution in online gambling!
FairCasinos.com EDIT (red): The company and casino name has been edited for now as this poster works for them but please give your opinions. The way the system works is that the cards or numbers of the game you wish to play are predetermined and sent to you encrypted before you play so that the game outcomes are independent of all player decisions and can be verified as random later on. The way online casinos normally work means that there is no was for a player to guarantee he hasn't been cheated but this way you can be 100% sure that the casino was not cheating. After you finish playing a roulette game, for example, you will be sent the decryption code and be able to verify that the numbers were actually already predetermined and it didn't depend on what numbers you bet on. The casinos this poster works for use a similar system to this one (I had this idea a few years ago before I started this site but have not given the full details yet) but has mainly been available only for Russian players until recently. I believe some Russian casinos use a slightly different, but effectively the same, system where it sends the results afterwards and you can use the checksum sent beforehand to verify it hasn't been altered.
I also added the Poll to this thread.
I will not tell here about their bonuses etc. The main fact... is their 100% Honesty Guarantee.
Are here a professional who knows this thing with MD5? I am not going to say here that a revolution in gambling came... until it is not only me to tell so... but.. I feel a new sensation....
FairCasinos EDIT/UPDATE 21st February 2007: I have included a link to the site in the banner below as it is one of the few casinos left for US players that can accept deposits easily using www.epassporte.com Please try it and tell us what you think.
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up2par
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ya that sounds great, but how could know that they were really pretermend before or not..... i dont know im just getting really burnt out on this whole gambling thing..... just a pain in my rear now to play online and i hate the landbase |
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upnupu
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| i dont get it |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'll explain again as there are slightly different methods that ensure fairness. They all work a bit like this but not quite; in roulette you could be sent a file with the next 50 numbers or any amount of the numbers that are about to appear. You won't be able to look at it as it will need a password. After you finish playing (or the amount of numbers sent have already appeared) you will be sent the password and be able to check all the numbers that came out and see that it wasn't fixed. Similarly with card games, it will send a file with all the cards in order of appearance. Similar methods can be used for all games.
Another way to do it is to send a 'checksum' of the random numbers file (the checksum is a method of checking the file hasn't changed) before play and only send the file with the numbers afterwards (no need to make it password protected). You can examine the file and check that the file's checksum is the same as the checksum you were sent earlier before you played. This means that the file with all the random numbers/cards/spins that you received after playing was not changed. |
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KasinoKing
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Method 1 above would give me confidence that it was fair.
Method 2 would not, as I believe very clever software could manipulate the figures to make the checksum match with non-random results.
Anyway, I voted 'No' because it's too much farting about!
I've been playing & profiting from online casinos virtually daily for over 5-years. Would I have profited so much if they were rigged? I think not.
There are a few dodgy places / softwares to avoid, but as long as you stick to the reputable places I am happy you'll get a fair game.
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fairgambler
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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KasinoKing, Method 2 would not, as I believe very clever software could manipulate the figures to make the checksum match with non-random results.KasinoKing,
How? Just curious...
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KasinoKing
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| fairgambler wrote: | KasinoKing, Method 2 would not, as I believe very clever software could manipulate the figures to make the checksum match with non-random results.KasinoKing,
How? Just curious... |
Just demonstrating my ignorance! 
I don't know how these 'checksums' work, so I was assuming something like this:
You get get sent a 'package' of 100 Roulette numbers (which you can't view of course) and a 'checksum' which is the total of all the numbers.
But when you play you can't be sure if the outcome of each spin is from the 'package' or from the server...
Clever software could produce non-random results from the server which still matched the total checksum!
Shooting from the hip again! 
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fairgambler
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| KasinoKing wrote: | Clever software could produce non-random results from the server which still matched the total checksum!
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http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5
Here is the description of MD5.
The main feature of MD5 is that it can not be cheated like that....
Player enters a game... gets an encrypted results of the game... then he gets a final check sum and after encrypting it he see that the result of his encryption is absolutely the same as given by casino...
MD5 is not an ancryption btw... it is a guarantee that the results are not produced non randomly.
http://www.md5summer.org/
MD5 is very old thing......
and it is 128 bit!
for example... it took 2 years for some gyes to hack the 56 bit encryption... how much time it will be required to do the same with 128 bit? Online????
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fairgambler
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Moreover is it possible to hack it at all???
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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I tried the casino recently and it seemed to work ok. You can receive the MD5 checksum before each hand of blackjack and later verify the whole shoe of cards used for that hand. Note that, despite the similar domain names, it is not linked to FairCasinos.com.
I have included a link to the site in the banner below as it is one of the few casinos left for US players that can accept deposits easily using www.epassporte.com. Please write your experiences on it here. I noticed quite a few spelling mistakes in the software as it is a sister to the Russian language site Fortuna.Ru (which is a couple of years old now).
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