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catrescue911
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| I wonder if many players will try the Carribean 21 now that it's back just to see what kind of luck THEY have. |
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Dell Dude
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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I just busted an $8 all or nothing hand in da club at Carib. I didn't use a robot.  |
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Tricon11
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Both Hampton and Delano will end up stiffing PC-21, and this will not look good for not only RTG casinos, but for the whole industry!
It’s a shame they could have used this to promote an unbelievable advertisement for online casino gambling.
Some people are just so stupid and greedy they don’t realize when a gift horse is staring them in the face.
Vince |
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joeyl
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| Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I think they'll settle out of court, non disclosure style. |
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Tricon11
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| I doubt that, if they do pay him anything they will advertise it. They can still save face by simple paying the guy. Originally Hampton casino agreed to pay him $4,000.00 a week for around 6 years. Then the payments stopped almost as fast as they started. I think he did get around 4 or 5 weeks of payments. |
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markey111
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:33 am Post subject: |
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well if they paid anything then surely they are admitting liability for the winnings
any more news???? |
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joeyl
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:27 am Post subject: |
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If they agree to pay it all Tricon they can advertise it but not with a non disclosure clause written in they can't.
I also want to know what the laws of entrapment are too. |
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markey111
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I think that sites like this must help in situations like this just by bringing it to the attention of potential customers.
just a pity that faircasinos does not have some legal weight behind it where they could act on behalf of members in a legal capacity |
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Tricon11
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Tricon11 wrote: | Both Hampton and Delano will end up stiffing PC-21, and this will not look good for not only RTG casinos, but for the whole industry!
It’s a shame they could have used this to promote an unbelievable advertisement for online casino gambling.
Some people are just so stupid and greedy they don’t realize when a gift horse is staring them in the face.
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Amazing, look whats happened in the last two days.
(Take note of #11, if that occurs, this incident will have a major effect on gambling online.)
This was posted by Bryan Baily (Casinomeister) March 4th
From the git go, there has been speculation that Rich Katz coerced this confession out of the player. This was always lingering in the back of my head but I gave Ron/Rich the benefit of the doubt; I believed what he told me was true. But yesterday, someone contacted me, who will obviously remain anonymous (who knows what stupid shit Katz will pull), who has been behind the scenes, and he has confirmed my suspicions (and everyone else's) that Rich coerced "the Pirate" into confessing to something that he didn't have - a robot.
There is no robot. Rich knows this, the Pirate knows this, RTG knows this, and so do you. What this someone told me was personal in detail, and believe me it just bolsters the facts outlining this case.
1.) Hamptons didn't have the money to cover the funds to pay the player.
2.) Hamptons increased the wagering limits in the hope that the Pirate would lose it back.
3.) RTG gave a clean bill of health about the game.
4.) Rich goes into a panic because he owes the player $1.3 million dollars.
5.) Rich tricks the player into saying he has a robot after telling the player he will never see a dime.
6.) Rich calls me and tells me he has proof besides the tape that a robot exists.
7.) Hamptons enters Casinomeister forum detailing how the robot was detected.
8.) RTG enters the forum stating that Hamptons could in no way shape or form detect this robot.
9.) Player logs are requested - all requests are ignored.
10.) Rich is asked to provide his proof of a robot - requests ignored.
11) MSNBC contacts me - looks like they are going to do a story on this case.
12.) Someone contacts me giving me the inside scoop.
And I feel like shit because now it is crystal clear to me that this player has been unjustly called a cheater, an abusive player, a T&C violator, and he's been raped out of $1.3 MILLION DOLLARS! I cannot imagine the stress he is gone through, both him and his family.
In closing, I apologize to the "Pirate", but I had believed that Hamptons Casino was being straightforward with me. Right after the infamous tape was released, Ron/Rich wrote to me and stated, "If he (the player) were baiting me he made a terrible mistake didn't he....he's going to have to live with his mistakes, we all do, every day, we are all responsible for the way we carry our selves." I read this and I wonder how this person can sleep at night, or face himself in the mirror, if he has kids - how can he look them straight in the eye. This whole episode has been one big sleaze fest, and I am sickened with how embarassingly stupid and corrupt this operator has behaved. I am not one to be lied to. When you lie to me, you lie to the entire gaming community. |
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FairCasinos
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Tricon11
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Woop there it is! LMAO Now the fun is going to start. |
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FairCasinos
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Tricon11
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Hampton and RTG should just turn over the casino and some cash to PC-21. At least he would recoup something. |
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joeyl
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Non disclosure settlement.
Shock horror surprise surprise...
Hey Sirius - you've been around 3 times as long as I and it's all becoming rather predictable. You must be bored shitless. However, the off the wall powers that be will think of something new lol. |
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pbanco
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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WOW flaw or no flaw, robot or no robot you guys need to pay. For the amount of money you guys rake in your software should be able to tell when he gets up to go take a piss. What a shady and dishonest site. Go play at Party Poker they are much more respectable.
BTW if there was a flaw in your software I would have to question your Q&A perhaps it should be the software vendor that you should be going after. What a world we live in and just to think everyone wants to blame Microsoft, interesting!!!!
Good luck Pirate |
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catrescue911
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| It's good to see that Pirate got paid after all, even if it was for a settle amount. There's hope aftet all! |
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Tricon11
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: |
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That and the fact Hamptons owner Katz, is history!
Hamptons was sold to Connecto casino. Connecto also purchased Protofino casino. |
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kinkajou
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:52 am Post subject: If I lose one million dollars |
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I hope RTG will intervene and give me back 1/2 million just like they are trying to make Pirate take less than he really won!
Some how the Casinos never have a problem if someone loses one million dollars. They don't complain that the software is flawed or that the person cheated! |
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Libra_22
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I can not believe that this poor guy is getting this kind of un-proffesional treatment. It was a game, he won fair and square -pay him his money. And as far as you (the boss) saying 'why did he not cash out earlier with a lesser amount...' why should he? If you were playing and winning -I don't believe you would just say 'okay, that's all the money I want'. You would keep going -that's human nature.
And, if this guy (Pirate) had lost $1.3 Million dollars to you, you would have kept it, no and's, if's or but's. But now that it's time to pay out you don't want to. You are a business man, now act like it.
Are you not concerned about your reputation to the public? Who in the world is going to play at your casino with this kind of treatment? I wont.
Pirate -stick up for yourself and don't let this 'Boss' get away with not paying you what is rightfully your's -$1.3 Million dollars -no less. |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Just to make it clear to the poster above and anyone else in doubt, FairCasinos.com is not related in any way with the casino or player involved in this story.
The player just wanted the tapes to be heard by the public and sent them to me to put up on this forum. Incidentally, after the first day of the tapes being up, I had to make this part of the forum open to registered users only because the amount of interest in listening to them was using up too much of the available bandwidth.
It's not the first time someone has misunderstood after finding this thread (probably linked from Casinomeister or the MSNBC article). I've had other messages about it.
The casino guy on the tapes is the ex manager at Hampton Casino and nothing to do with FairCasinos.com! Hampton Casino was trying to get out of paying this player. The player just provided me with the phone recordings and wanted them heard here. The conversation was recorded on both sides so eventually the casino also released it's own recording of another part of the conversation but that was later removed from the casino site.
The player was paid eventually in an undisclosed settlement but this unfortunately meant he didn't get the full amount. The casino group involved was also sold to new management. |
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dmoney644
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| wow what a story to stumble upon!!!! i was going to bed and could not pull myself away from this story!lol just sorry that poor pirate had to be the goat to my interest! way to go on putting them on the news and somewhat kicking their arse!!!!! |
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FairCasinos
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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I just read this story again. It's one of the most read threads (mostly due to the site being included in the MSNBC article - the article actually linked to the earlier recordings on here).
This is another recording I had kept made by the casino owner this time trying to prove the player used a robot (recorded on his side) that was put up on the casino site for a while but quickly removed. The player claimed he was just playing along and joking about using a robot in this | |
